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Phenomenal research in Seattle, Washington.

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You've been referred, or we've been referred to by Mr. Paul Brady,

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regarding the disappearance of your brother.

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I wonder if you could give us a rundown of just what's going on down there.

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Well, what's happened now is they discontinued the search now.

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They decided that he isn't around in the area.

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They went horseback and helicoptered and everything else couldn't spot him.

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What happened was a boy was coming out about, I guess about six o'clock in the evening.

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They were attending Woods for the force service,

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and it was about dark about that time, and they were trying to cram as much work as it could to get in for the day.

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The contract was running out real quick, and they were start driving out,

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and my brother was riding in the front seat, it was in the crew cap,

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pick up the international crew cap, pick up me, and I was riding in the front seat on the passenger side next to the door.

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They looked out, they were driving up the road and there was a thicket,

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and after they passed the thicket they looked off to the right and he saw this glow.

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And he yelled flying saucer and everybody turned around and looked,

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and here it was before the truck could even get stopped.

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He jumped out of the truck, run up, which we'd spotted flying objects before,

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and he'd made up his mind that if he ever saw one he was going to try to communicate with one,

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and if he saw one the truck could get stopped, like I was saying,

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and he jumped out and run up towards it and threw his hands up in the air

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to show that he meant no harm.

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And the guy said that the ship started rocking and started building up a high-pitched wine,

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and all of a sudden this blue flash came out from underneath it,

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they said that it was in a beam form.

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Just a little bit wider than his shoulder that covered him,

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and it silhouetted him, because it was so bad it silhouetted him, where they could see him.

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I'm not sure whether it hit him correctly, but part of it did, they thought part of it did.

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Anyway, he clapped and hit the ground, and they panicked in, and they drove off and left him,

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and they went up the road to the entrance to the main road, come along in that area,

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they were on a little logging road, and they stopped and started talking about what they should do,

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and they decided they might go to the steer hunting cabin,

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get those guys to help them, and they headed for the cabin,

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and it said, you know, they better go and look back when they did that,

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and they saw a flash over the trees heading in the opposite direction out,

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and so they decided to better run down and see if they could help Travis,

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and when they got down there, he wasn't there.

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Let's see.

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Now, what period did they, did they, anyone ever give a time estimate of

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between the time that this thing was first seen and the time that...

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They went back?

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It went back, they went back, yes.

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Approximately, they said they'd, guessing they'd say approximately about 8 to 10 minutes.

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Well then this thing must have been in the area for quite a while, even after they left.

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Yeah.

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Did they examine, was anyone examine the ground?

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Well, they, we had a guy come in today from, what is it, Ariel Phenomena?

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From Tucson?

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From Phoenix.

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Yes.

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With, in relation with William Spaulding or somebody like...

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Oh yes, yes.

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He was up there today, I can't remember his name, but a long hair,

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a fairly long hair fellow kind of read his tent to it in Houston, Phoenix,

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and he'd given a talk, I guess, to William Spaulding and all of them,

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and he'd give a talk, he'd give his guests a ticket to come down to the lecture,

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giving them Phoenix on January the 9th or something.

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Oh yes.

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But anyway, he said that when we asked for the reading, everybody treated it as a hoax

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and stuff, even the law in Portland tried to cover it up,

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and the kids that were there called him hippies and everything else,

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and one kid just came off his mission, he's the LDS,

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the boy just got off his mission and he's great,

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it could be, none of them smoke or drink or anything like this,

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or even mess with junk or anything.

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Yes.

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But we finally, Thursday afternoon when they started,

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or Thursday morning when they started to search,

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and somebody mentioned that they ought to take a reading of it with a Geiger counter,

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and so I had my compass, I just walked over there,

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and my compass reacted in it all, it moved just a little bit,

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but it didn't move very much.

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Yes.

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And so they called in one that afternoon and got one in,

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but it was under insistence that, you know,

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they kicked it aside when they first mentioned it,

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and then we finally insisted that they get a Geiger counter up there,

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but it read, on Mike, it read up on the 6th on the scale,

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but they had it set it at .01 on the scale, on the Geiger counter,

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and it just read up to 6 on Mike, it read on a Luma style up to 3,

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and on the ground it read anywhere from 1 up to 3 in different spots,

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but they didn't take a real good area,

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they just picked one spot in the area, and that was it.

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I see.

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And this guy came in today with his meters and everything else,

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and he got a normal reading of what he called,

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and he read the trees and everything else around it,

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and he said that it was definitely indicated,

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he said he wished he'd been there within 8, 10 hours of the time,

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but they kept it hushed until Friday before anybody knew it,

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before they hit the hotline, you know, on.

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Yes.

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And he said that they possibly would send somebody up Monday to,

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because he said he got enough indication that they should send somebody up to,

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takes more readings and everything else.

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So did he take any soil samples at all?

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No, he didn't, he said that if they were given this length of time,

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they might not be any good,

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but he said that this guy would come up with the equipment to do this kind of stuff,

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if he thought it was feasible to do it.

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Okay, has there been any rainfall in the area?

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No, it's just perfectly dry.

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It freezes at night.

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How many people were involved in this now?

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There seems to be a contradiction of that.

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There were seven.

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There were seven, okay.

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Now, how would I go about getting the names of these other people?

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I can give you part of them, and I can't remember all of them.

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There was Mike Rogers, which was the crew chief.

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And do you have his phone number?

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No, he doesn't have a phone.

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Okay.

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But I can have him call you or anything you want from him.

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Okay.

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There was Mike Rogers, he's about a 27-year-old, married and got kids and stuff.

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Kenny Peterson, who just recently got married and they have a kid,

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and this one to give the information over the TV and everything else.

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Nice to know.

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This boy just came off his knee.

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John Gallette.

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What's Alan's name?

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Alan Dallas.

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Alan Dallas.

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There was a guy by the name of Dwayne.

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I don't remember what his last name was.

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And Steve, what's his last name?

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I don't know his last name, but I can't remember his last name either.

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Okay.

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Did you talk to those people immediately after this happened?

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Yes, well, not immediately because when they went up and found Travis wasn't there,

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they turned around and rushed into Little County, Heber about 8, 10 miles away or a little bit more.

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And they called the law and then the law came out and searched for it.

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But they didn't get, that was at 6 o'clock when they saw that.

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And then by the time they got into the letters, they got Mom at 1 o'clock and by 3 o'clock

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then they woke me up and got me out.

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Well, now when you talk to these people, what was their concern?

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Did they seem as though they were really shaking up or was it, were they calm?

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Well, this Mike Rogers was his crew chief that these guys worked for.

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He passed out three different times.

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They literally had to pick him up and get him back on the street again.

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He just literally passed out.

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Is that after he got back?

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After he got back every time they went out, he just literally passed out.

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And he was shaking and that kid that just came off his mission, we asked him what he felt about it.

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And he said, well, you know, he said, I've never seen a UFO or heard of talk about it.

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And he said, I was really skeptical about it, which, you know, is part of their teachings, you know.

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This is what it is.

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And he said, but now he said, I'm a firm believer and he was badly shaken.

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And the other kid said that he doesn't believe in flying saucers, but he saw one.

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Well, I agree in the stories.

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There's just a minute amount of difference in it.

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There's not enough to even, to warrant that there was anything different.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Well, of course, there's always a difference when you have different people telling stories.

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Okay, now I got Mike Rogers, Kenny Peterson, John Goulet, Alan Dallas, and...

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Dwayne, whatever his last name is, I don't know.

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He's a new kid to come up.

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There were three new kids that was there on the job.

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The others were old-hand.

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They knew what an UFO.

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Except for this, Dwayne, he only met Mike four days before this sighting happened.

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Uh-huh.

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They all knew each other for quite a long time.

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How about the ages on these fellows?

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Anywhere from the age of 20 up to 27.

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20, 27, okay.

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Then you've just about eliminated the possibility of any type of hawks.

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Well, right.

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They put dogs in there, helicopters.

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They put horseback riders in a covered area in there that's probably five square miles.

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Okay, then Travis, he has always had an interest in this subject.

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Yes, yes.

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He's got a high IQ and everything.

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He's really...

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He level-headed.

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He never pulled anything dumb like this or anything like this.

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You know, where it'd be a hoax or anything.

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Yes.

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And he's just not the person to fit that.

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Okay, since that has happened now, has there been anything strange that has happened in the area or...

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They had a sighting, not in more than probably about 20 miles away of a woman spotting this guy that was up today, had the information on it too.

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That was the same night?

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Yeah.

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I see.

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And there has been nothing else other than that.

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No.

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If you've had anything yourself, being as close as you are to them, have you had anything, uh, any mysterious phone calls or...

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No, uh-huh.

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This is what he asked us to.

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He said, usually, you know, you have this...

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In some instances, they run across this, but there's been nobody that's phoned or nothing.

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These boys are just working and they're coming in when they spotted it.

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Okay, sir.

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I'm going to leave our office number with you and if any of these other gentlemen would care to call us, we'd like to arrange something for a telephone interview.

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Okay.

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And that's the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington.

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I'd like very much to talk to this Mike Rogers, seeing that he has had, uh, apparently, some sort of physical shock from this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they want...they told us not to mess with the car or bang the hood or anything, or the top of the car, not put no magnets around or anything,

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where they get our...get reading off of that.

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Right.

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I'm very surprised they didn't get in on that right away.

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Well, the law covered it up. In fact, they run a guy away from it yesterday that was from Flagstaff.

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And they run him away and told him that they didn't want him even messing around there until after they had the lie detector test given.

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And they really treated this as a farce.

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Uh-huh. Now, that test, is that going to be tomorrow?

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Yeah, it's going to be given in Holbrook tomorrow.

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We're going to demand a taping of that so that they can take the tapes and get reading off that, too.

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Okay.

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Now, we would very, very much appreciate getting a copy of those, if possible. We'll be more than happy to pay.

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What, on the tapes?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Anything that we can get in relation to this case would be most appreciated.

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Okay, we'll do it.

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And if anything important should come up in relation to this, why, we'd appreciate hearing from you.

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We're going to go back out and we figured we'd let everything quiet down when we were...we've been going out and staying at night,

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after the sun goes down by ourselves and after everything quiet down.

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But we figured we'd give it another couple of days and we'll go back out and sit out there and watch and see if anything happens.

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I hope you'll be equipped with a good camera.

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Hey, I got a good camera.

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Good.

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Well, thank you very much for talking to me.

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Okay.

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Bye.